Look folks. Consuming less overall is good. But veganism wont save the planet. It wont even make a dent in climate change. In fact it might make things worse.
And from an agricultural perspective if you wanna grow plants you need to make and keep the ground fertile. Even with cover crops and no till you will have to do some fertilizing.
So your choices are synthetic petroleum based fertilizers. or animal dung. What one looks more renewable to you? What one is the most carbon neutral?
Land herbivores are how nutrients flow uphill in nature anyways. Its closer to the natural nutrient cycle to use domestic animals.
So if you are gonna have that cow anyways you might as well milk it. Otherwise it goes to waste. And when it dies you might as well eat it. Again, dont want to waste.
You might keep chickens around for pest control, might as well eat the eggs too. Otherwise its a waste. The birds make more eggs all on their own than they can possibly care for.
Similar stories with other domestic animals. If you are gonna have them for dung the other byproducts are a "might as well" situation. Otherwise its waste.
We dont need to overconsume the way we do. Thats definitely a problem, but its a byproduct of the alienation created by capitalism. We over consume because were miserable and marketed to.
The Vegan TM movement is not rooted in any real science or sustainability practices. They tell a lot of lies about how farms work. Their goal is you make you feel guilt so they can exploit it *for their profit*. Its just another form of capitalism and control.
@Laurelai I suspect the truth is that Americans are drowned in so much bullshit media that they find it difficult to determine what's science and what's pretending to be science.
As a vegan, I have weighed up the evidence from many different sources and formed my own conclusion. I've found your ranty thread an interesting read! 😂
The good thing about Mastodon is I'm seeing your posts in context & chronological order, so it doesn't feel like you're just randomly attacking peoples' life choices
@bobstechsite I dont attack peoples life choices, i attack the system that presents false life choices
@Laurelai peta is problematic in many ways, including both selling bad science and having some questionable ethical stances, but some problematic actors do not invalidate the entirety of the multitude of belief systems that make up people’s reasons for veganism.
@Laurelai veganism has many reasons, some environmental others not. Simply avoiding animal products is insufficient as a sustainable diet, but if your goal is sustainability reducing or eliminating animal products can be one part of that process. It’s also possible to avoid animal products because you feel that it’s unethical to use animals as a resource for food, etc and from there focus on ensuring that you make sustainable choices around a plant based diet.
@cercerilla You didnt read the whole thread
@cercerilla You can be vegan if you want to, i really dont care. Im talking about systems.
The most sustainable diet includes small amounts of meat and heavy in grains with some veggies and some fruits.