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So i opened an issue for a feature requests. Id like to have the ability to chain block people, as in block someone and all of their followers. github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/

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@Laurelai this is a terrible idea for 3631 reasons...

@Laurelai it would be the end of federation... you’re right. No big deal 😊

@Roland How?? How would blocking clusters of bad actors be the end of the fedverse? Show your work.

@Roland Especially since it would be at an individual level not an instance level

@Laurelai That was by far one of the best plugins I had for Birdsite (so long as the person had less than 4000 or so followers because it'd time out the API otherwise)

But the number of times I'd go to a garbage person Nazi supporter's follower list and see that I already was blocking the entire first page of their followers was a very reaffirming feeling.

@Laurelai I don't think this is a great idea. People make mistakes, end up following people they don't know have done bad things. I've done this, and once it came to light I unfollowed them.

Blocking an entire chain of people due to one person in the chain doesn't sit right with me imo.

@brainblasted Do you have any alternative solutions to blocking clusters of bad actors. I am not being snarky i am seriously asking if you have alternatives.

@Laurelai @brainblasted ironically this might be easier if it were possible to block all members that are subscribed to a certain group. But unfortunately, only GNU Social and like Friendica support that concept and its implements.

@Laurelai @brainblasted I agree with Chris that it's kind of messy. I follow like 1900+ accounts to populate my timeline and interact with whatever comes up.

I try to block exceptionally shitty people when I see them, but for the most part I don't even see people that call for harassment. There's a chance I might only see 30% of my contacts.

@deadsuperhero @brainblasted Which again i repeat do you have alternatives? I know its messy. Messy is better than nothing, which is what we have now.

@Laurelai @brainblasted one possibility might be a rating system for your contacts, where favorable interactions move someone up on the scale, and it's possible to downgrade people incrementally at any time.

You could have some kind of threshold that says "only accept interactions for people at this baseline level and up"

It could probably still be gamed in some way, but Hubzilla has this and it's not a bad way to filter out people quickly.

@Laurelai @brainblasted in Hubzilla, every contact basically has a slider on their account that denotes what their relationship is to you, from close friend to mortal enemy. It would require manual work to adjust your contacts, but you could denote all the bad actors.

Maybe combined with the "block all their followers" concept, you could have "block all followers below this threshold" to root out the worst of them

@Laurelai @brainblasted maybe it might be able to also calculate mutuals?

Like, "x amount of this person's followers are people you and your followers are engaged with"

At the very least it could be used to represent people who have a lot of followers outside of your own network, surfacing a potential troll stat

@Laurelai @brainblasted maybe also a way to get notified if people on the timeline are posting a particular keyword, such as your own name, as a way to catch harassment before it begins?

@Laurelai @brainblasted the algorithmic ggautoblocker (not the curated one) tests for someone following >1 of a list of known-bad actors; two strikes to reduce false positives. I found it incredibly reliable and useful. Fwiw.

@Laurelai There's not a lot of good software solution I can think of.

• Maybe a way to mark a posts as "Unfollow/Block supporters of this post"

This will get people who are spreading inciting content,
at least when it is federated to your instance. More, it specifically targets the abusers rather than random people connected to them that might have no idea.

There there is another solution we could start using now:

• Have a shared database of "bad actors" that people can review and contribute to

This is a tricky one. It can quickly lead to situations where other groups than bad actors are targeted, for example trans women like in the wilw mess. But it's something we could start using on fedi so far - blocklists can be imported and exported.

@brainblasted blocklists have too strong of an incentive to abuse so im not for them. But blocking everyone who likes/boosts a post is actually a really good idea

@brainblasted @Laurelai

Blocking people who like a particular post, where the post is harassment, might indeed work.

Other things which are less discriminating could be hazardous and backfire. The modus operandi of the alt-right is to make their opponents engage in self-defeating logic against themselves.

@brainblasted @Laurelai sorry to bump into this, but maybe this is a good thing that should be discussed at piratenpad.de/p/ModerationCon